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Jefferson cancels NCSU visit => NCSU alum thoughts on Debbie Yow

  • RaiseHigh

    Just to show you how Maryland fans hate her....

    If you asked a Maryland fan what their greatest Maryland moment was, I think the Top 2 would far and away be the Men's Basketball National Championship and Debbie Yow accepting a job at North Carolina State. In no specific order.

    "It's just so hard," Greivis said. "It's my heart, my love. Maryland made me who I am."

  • Philawolf - also keep an eye on how much she communicates with your booster base, asking them their opinions, priorities, desires, etc. She got a flat F on her report card at UMD on this one, since she believed she always knew what to do and didn't need any input from anyone else, including a big chunk of the senior donators. As others have said, our "upgrade of Byrd Stadium" was a disaster from many perspectives. Much better use of that money could have been made to improve the stadium. Also, see if anyone can get a copy of her contract and find out what she will gain bonuses for. That will point you towards what she will try to do, no matter what the outcomes are for your revenue sports.

    King Penguins, South Georgia Island

  • goterps said... (original post)

    At the end of the day, I consider Debbie Yow to not only be a miserable person (which I suppose isn't a dealbreaker in an athletic director), but on par with financial swindlers and fiduciary mismanagers like Bernie Madoff and the Enron folks (which is shockingly not a huge exaggeration given the amount of money at issue and is a dealbreaker in an athletic director).

    1) She supposedly balanced the athletic budget which is a huge feat. Then issues enough self-laudatory releases and statements about it so that she tries to blind people from other crushing issues in the department with this supposed accomplishment.

    2) We find out later that she was borrowing against future revenue to add enough revenue to the column of the books so that she could balance the books. In other words, we never actually had a balanced year-to-year budget unless she credited revenue that was not supposed to be achieved and enjoyed for many years down the line. She also balanced against the future revenues from naming rights to Comcast Center and Byrd Stadium. For example, Maryland was supposed to enjoy 10 or 15 years worth of revenue from the naming rights to Comcast Center. She borrowed against that and for the past few years and continuing onward we have no revenue coming in from those naming rights.

    3) All this while allowing expansion of Byrd stadium to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, supposedly to be paid off by suite sales. Except she steadfastly refused to allow alcohol in the suites (combined with a 2-10 season from the football program). The suites don't sell and the athletic department can't service the debt.

    As somebody earlier said, she screwed up the finances so badly that the football team had to bus back and forth six hours to a game in Carolina. Not acceptable for an FBS team. We bus to UVA and WVU because those are within 2.5 hours. That's it. And all along we had been sold a bill of goods that balancing the financial situation was her strongest suit and biggest accomplishment.

    And all this setting aside the fact that she completely undermined her two revenue coaches by trying to get boosters to raise private money to buy them out when she realized she had no money to do so, and misjudged the boosters' loyalty to the coaches as opposed to her. The boosters ran straight to the coaches and what had at least been a manageable tension-filled situation exploded into an outright hate-filled situation.

    You guys bought yourself a clusterfuck. We don't come onto Packpride to tell you this or to taunt you. We'll all be banned. And, quite frankly, I think we just pity you guys at this point. You can copy and paste this over there if you'd like. You came here, and here's the straight dope. We're more shocked that she got hired someplace else and we're just watching the two trains steam towards each other at 150 mph down the track, waiting for the inevitable destruction.

    the financial pieces of this post are not only incredibly accurate, but also, for all intents and purposes, a criminal offense. for that, she needs to be held accountable - i wonder when our mess has all been sorted through and the true financials are available, whether or not someone will actually indict her for her actions

  • The day Yow took the NcState job was a top 1 day on this board.

  • Not as much as because she went to NCState, but because she LEFT Maryland.

  • Goterps post is awesome

    LOVEEE the idea of an A-Z takedown, especially if it could be an exhaustive, definitive answer to the question "Why was Debbie Yow bad for Maryland?"

  • A bitch
    Bitch
    Cuz she's a huge bitch
    Definitely a bitch
    Eat a dick you bitch
    F off bitch

    etc...

    http://maryland.247sports.com/Board/Inside-Scoop-67/144

  • goterps said... (original post)

    2) We find out later that she was borrowing against future revenue to add enough revenue to the column of the books so that she could balance the books. In other words, we never actually had a balanced year-to-year budget unless she credited revenue that was not supposed to be achieved and enjoyed for many years down the line. She also balanced against the future revenues from naming rights to Comcast Center and Byrd Stadium. For example, Maryland was supposed to enjoy 10 or 15 years worth of revenue from the naming rights to Comcast Center. She borrowed against that and for the past few years and continuing onward we have no revenue coming in from those naming rights.

    First off, thanks for the very thorough and informative post, it definitely helps to see everything laid out.

    I had read an article about the fund that was drained to support the annual operating budget, but I didn't realize she had also taken an advance on the naming rights for the Comcast Center and Byrd Stadium.

    Was there an independent auditor of the Athletic Department budget on an annual basis? It certainly sounds like NC State needs something like this in place, if we don't have one already.

    Just curious, what revenue was coming in from Byrd stadium naming rights? I would have thought whatever money Byrd gave to name the stadium after him would have stopped a long time ago.

  • Philawolf said... (original post)


    Just curious, what revenue was coming in from Byrd stadium naming rights? I would have thought whatever money Byrd gave to name the stadium after him would have stopped a long time ago.

    Capital One Field at Byrd Stadium.

  • shuklad said... (original post)

    the financial pieces of this post are not only incredibly accurate, but also, for all intents and purposes, a criminal offense. for that, she needs to be held accountable - i wonder when our mess has all been sorted through and the true financials are available, whether or not someone will actually indict her for her actions

    So can we take her out of the hall of fame that she had herself added to?

  • Dean Wormer said... (original post)

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

    At one point weren't;

    Brenda's assistants being paid more than Gary's?" And, wasn't her recruiting budget higher? And, wasn't her budget for academic support higher? And, wasn't our football budget the smallest in the conference?

    Our revenue sports were working on shoestrings -- no?

    Also, I really wish someone (Crofton?) would chronicle how "she" balanced the budget when first arrived on campus. If I remember correctly the two biggest factors were, the school signing the Pepsi deal and the administration allowing the athletic department to account for out of state athletes as instate students.?. (karma being a bitch and all, i believe this practice was voted out by the state of NC just after she took the job at NCSU). Both of these were huge windfalls for her department....and I don't think she had much if anything to do with either. Again, I hope someone corrects me if i'm mistaken.

    Anybody else want to take a swing at her laughable fund raising...marketing...personal management...lol.

    You seem like a good guy Philawolf -- good luck.

    I know the practice of scholarships and in-state tuition changed quite dramatically last year. I was under the impression that now all athletes have to be accounted for with out of state scholarship dollars, which didn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm guessing it was more in line with what you laid out, where out of state athletes now have to have scholarships that pay out-of-state tuition.

    As for the two revenue sports, here are the revenue and expense numbers for Maryland and NC State respectively for 2008 and 2009. Data from the US Education Department's Equity in Athletics (linked)

    Men's BB Rev
    2008 NC State $10,914,295.00
    2008 Maryland $10,739,282.00
    2009 NC State $10,354,157.00
    2009 Maryland $10,793,864.00

    Men's BB Exp
    2008 NC State $3,747,426.00
    2008 Maryland $5,160,381.00
    2009 NC State $3,104,152.00
    2009 Maryland $4,891,205.00

    Football Rev
    2008 NC State $21,772,446.00
    2008 Maryland $11,540,368.00
    2009 NC State $22,018,738.00
    2009 Maryland $13,980,823.00

    Football Exp
    2008 NC State $11,009,793.00
    2008 Maryland $9,863,748.00
    2009 NC State $10,480,938.00
    2009 Maryland $11,729,095.00

    We spent more on Football in 2009 than you, but less in 2008. NC State and Maryland are the bottom 2 of the ACC in Football expenditures. The next closest is Wake w/ $13.4 mil in 2008 $12.5 mil in 2009.

    The Football revenue numbers are what really seem out of whack for you guys. Only Wake brought in less revenue in 2009 w/ 10.2 mil.

    NC State was dead last in Men's Basketball expenditure in 2008 and 2009... You get what you pay for I suppose.
    Maryland was 5th in Men's Basketball expenditure in 2008 and 2009, behind Duke, UVA, UNC, and BC.

    NC State and Maryland were 3rd and 4th in 2008 Basketball revenue, then switched places in 2009. UNC and Duke were 1 and 2 in basketball revenue.

    This post was edited by Philawolf 3 years ago

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  • canadianpotato said... (original post)

    So can we take her out of the hall of fame that she had herself added to?

    How about the picture of her cutting down the net for the women's basketball championship? Don't know how many other people have looked at the trophy case surrounding the women's title but it always amuses me to have one of the few pictures around the case to be of Yow.

  • MikeFan said... (original post)

    Philawolf - also keep an eye on how much she communicates with your booster base, asking them their opinions, priorities, desires, etc. She got a flat F on her report card at UMD on this one, since she believed she always knew what to do and didn't need any input from anyone else, including a big chunk of the senior donators. As others have said, our "upgrade of Byrd Stadium" was a disaster from many perspectives. Much better use of that money could have been made to improve the stadium.

    This is the part that seems so counter what we've experienced here at NC State. It's night and day from the Fowler era, where the fan base was completely ignored. She's actually listened and incorporated a lot of fans suggestions into the gameday experience at NC State. She's gone back to 'STATE' on the jerseys, per fan requests. She's improved our official website quite a bit (though it still has a long way to go). She has made contacting the Athletic Department very easy, and the emails get 24 hour turnaround on what the plans are to address a specific issue, then the issue actually gets addressed. I just don't know how to tell you how different this is from when Fowler was openly hostile with large chunks of the fans.

  • Philawolf said... (original post)

    I just don't know how to tell you how different this is from when Fowler was openly hostile with large chunks of the fans.

    This is how things ENDED with Debbie Yow. It wasn't always that way.

  • Although going to NC State was a beautiful, added bonus

  • goterps said... (original post)

    At the end of the day, I consider Debbie Yow to not only be a miserable person (which I suppose isn't a dealbreaker in an athletic director), but on par with financial swindlers and fiduciary mismanagers like Bernie Madoff and the Enron folks (which is shockingly not a huge exaggeration given the amount of money at issue and is a dealbreaker in an athletic director).

    1) She supposedly balanced the athletic budget which is a huge feat. Then issues enough self-laudatory releases and statements about it so that she tries to blind people from other crushing issues in the department with this supposed accomplishment.

    2) We find out later that she was borrowing against future revenue to add enough revenue to the column of the books so that she could balance the books. In other words, we never actually had a balanced year-to-year budget unless she credited revenue that was not supposed to be achieved and enjoyed for many years down the line. She also balanced against the future revenues from naming rights to Comcast Center and Byrd Stadium. For example, Maryland was supposed to enjoy 10 or 15 years worth of revenue from the naming rights to Comcast Center. She borrowed against that and for the past few years and continuing onward we have no revenue coming in from those naming rights.

    3) All this while allowing expansion of Byrd stadium to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, supposedly to be paid off by suite sales. Except she steadfastly refused to allow alcohol in the suites (combined with a 2-10 season from the football program). The suites don't sell and the athletic department can't service the debt.

    As somebody earlier said, she screwed up the finances so badly that the football team had to bus back and forth six hours to a game in Carolina. Not acceptable for an FBS team. We bus to UVA and WVU because those are within 2.5 hours. That's it. And all along we had been sold a bill of goods that balancing the financial situation was her strongest suit and biggest accomplishment.

    And all this setting aside the fact that she completely undermined her two revenue coaches by trying to get boosters to raise private money to buy them out when she realized she had no money to do so, and misjudged the boosters' loyalty to the coaches as opposed to her. The boosters ran straight to the coaches and what had at least been a manageable tension-filled situation exploded into an outright hate-filled situation.

    You guys bought yourself a clusterfuck. We don't come onto Packpride to tell you this or to taunt you. We'll all be banned. And, quite frankly, I think we just pity you guys at this point. You can copy and paste this over there if you'd like. You came here, and here's the straight dope. We're more shocked that she got hired someplace else and we're just watching the two trains steam towards each other at 150 mph down the track, waiting for the inevitable destruction.

    I wonder if Yow advises the Obama Administration. Her accounting strategies are incredibly similar to Obamacare.

    biggrin

  • jsh said... (original post)

    How about the picture of her cutting down the net for the women's basketball championship? Don't know how many other people have looked at the trophy case surrounding the women's title but it always amuses me to have one of the few pictures around the case to be of Yow.

    Really? Put herself in HOF, and cut down the nets?

    Ugh, that's just tacky.

  • One thing you can say about her, she was always responsive and could get things done. The problem is that the things got done her way, and there was never any room for compromise. I've heard a good number of stories about her fixing some small fan problems and improving the fan experience in a variety of ways. The issue comes when her priorities simply don't coincide with your fans at large. When that happens - and it will - and it will on several very big things - then watch out.

    If you want an omen of things to come, check out my avitar. Not sure if you've seen that, but it's from the powerpoint presentation that she gave to a group of people (I forget who, but some important constituency) after she got to NC State. That's her view of the world, and she's bold enough to let it be known to everyone.

  • Philawolf said... (original post)

    Really? Put herself in HOF, and cut down the nets?

    Ugh, that's just tacky.

    Not only did she put herself in the HOF, she ordered an exception to the rules forbidding a standing AD to be inducted into the HOF in that special circumstance.

  • goterps said... (original post)

    This is how things ENDED with Debbie Yow. It wasn't always that way.

    How long did it take to wear out her welcome for you guys?

  • Bigger travishamockery, her bogus self congratulatory press releases about balancing the budget or being in Maryland's HOF?

  • TerpDaddy said... (original post)

    If you want an omen of things to come, check out my avitar. Not sure if you've seen that, but it's from the powerpoint presentation that she gave to a group of people (I forget who, but some important constituency) after she got to NC State. That's her view of the world, and she's bold enough to let it be known to everyone.

    Yeah, I've seen that PowerPoint presentation. Most of us were impressed that she actually had a vision for NC State, even if it was AD centric. She has a concept of how to communicate in a business setting.

    Contrasting with Fowler who didn't even know how to turn on his computer. Of course, he could operate the remote to the TV he had installed in his office...

  • How involved was Yow in Friedgen's hire? That was a great hire in my opinion. Those 3 straight 10 win seasons has to rank among the best stretches ever for Maryland.

  • Philawolf said... (original post)

    How involved was Yow in Friedgen's hire? That was a great hire in my opinion. Those 3 straight 10 win seasons has to rank among the best stretches ever for Maryland.

    forced into it by alumni and the president of the school....