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Mark Turgeon: 8 years at 1.9 million a season. That runs through 2018-2019 and it also makes it extremely difficult to buy out if a coach were to flop.
Randy Edsall: 6 years at 2 million a season. That runs through 2016.
I am not here to bash either coach, I just do not understand what this man was thinking when he signed both to such long deals. One coach was 74-70 and coming from UCONN and the other was a coach who advanced past the Sweet 16 once, in 2006 at Wichita State. In hindsight these were awful deals for the university.
When you take into the account Edsall has already has hired/fired/hired many different coordinators and assistants this is adding to the already cash strapped athletic department's debt.
I am wondering why so much blame is pointed at our coaches, but the man who decided to go "balls deep" on both these hires walks around like a peach?
This is an A2R thread so I'm a little nervous jumping in but I'd like to know the answer to his as well.
I'madmitedly extremely ignorant on how contracts work and everything else associated with them.
I thought some of the rationale behind long contracts is for recruiting purposes. In other words, a kid wants to know a coach is going to be around for the full four years. From what I remember, during Gary's years, his contract always had around 5 years left, and an extra year would get tacked on annually.
Forbes listed Turgeon as one of the most overpriced coaches in college basketball. So there's that.
To ensure stability to the program.
Not sure you've read all the bashing threads on all these boards.
Coaches have agents, they know the other deals coaches are getting, etc. Clearly the Edsall hire was rushed, and GW didn't help by waiting as long as he did in announcing his retirement. These guys are going to use whatever leverage they have.
I actually like the idea of making it (relatively) difficult to buy out a head coach. Fanbases are WAY too quick to jump all over a mediocre season or two, and it can take 3-4 years to build a stable base for the future. This gives the coaches some breathing room and allows them to make decisions with long-term goals in mind, rather than focusing on getting better immediately out of a sense of desperation for their job security. Giving a coach a guaranteed 4-5 years allows them to grow a roster of hand-picked talent rather than jumping at whatever scraps are available today.
Long-term deals can help mitigate some of that agency cost when it comes to executive types.
The point about wanting to make sure recruits think he will be at that school for their whole career is def valid but GW wasn't a standard situation.
I'm not anywhere close to the camp wanting to give up on Turge but still that contract seems excessive. There is a larger amount of time/money in between where I believe you will know if he is "THE guy" and when the contract ends. So you could seemingly get stuck with a big buyout amount or a crappy coach for 4-5 years.
Again, I don't know anything about the specifics of contracts so I could be missing some stuff.
They must be written up by the same genius who wrote up KA's contract:
Kevin Anderson's Maryland athletic director contract is for five years at $401,015 annually, but it contains a provision that could potentially keep him at the university much longer, according to a copy of the document obtained Tuesday.
The contract says the five-year term shall be automatically extended each Sept. 30 by one year unless either party -- Anderson or Maryland -- "informs the other in writing that ... it does not want to extend this contract for an additional year."
So if we decide to get rid of him EVER, our options are:
- provide him with 5-6 year notice that we want him out before he has to go, or
- pay him a $2M+ buyout to cover that 5-6 years
Even though it's for less money than the coaches, it seems like an even dumber contract from the University's perspective. At least with the coaches there is eventually a possibility of not having to pay them to leave.
Kevin Anderson's Maryland athletic director contract is for five years at $401,015 annually, but it contains a provision that could potentially keep him at the university much longer, according to a
I think this was the reasoning behind the long contracts. The AD knew the programs weren't in great shape when each coach took over and wanted to give them a chance to build their program before being on the hot seat. The vast majority of people wanted Edsall gone after the first season and he's done a hell of a job turning things around. The staff has improved greatly, the local teams seem to have a better relationship with the Terps and we would have gone bowling last season if not for the ridiculous injuries at QB. Turgeon came into a great program with an empty cupboard. It's going to take some time to restock and I'm sure there are a large group of fans who wouldn't be willing to give him that time after missing the tourney for two years.
I just want to know how a peach walks
Lets just hope the University teaches its students to do as they say, not as they do.
People really underestimate how much Gary has fucked up the basketball program. Fortunately, it won't take long to revive it. Football, on the other hand, is hopeless.
I really don't understand the contracts we gave Turge, Edsall, and especially, the FB assistants. But then again, I don't really know anything about contracts..
Turge signed a long-term extension at Texas A&M in 2010 paying him ~$2mm a year (in College Station no less). I forgot how long a deal it was. We actually aren't paying him more per year but did give him the 8 years. We probably weren't getting him to give up what he had at Texas A&M for a shorter deal without paying him more per year.
So we've essentially fallen to a level where we have to compete against the likes of A&M for an unknown coach?
These long-term contracts don't benefit anyone other than the coaches unless there's a significant buy-out clause for coaches leaving - in Turge's case to Kansas for example , before the end of the contract. Just watch, if we ever make it back to the dance, Turge will demand the contract be renegotiated or he'll walk. THAT'S why you don't give 8-yr contracts to anyone. Five year would've been more than fair regardless of how bad the program was. That would've given him a full recruiting cycle to work with, and if he couldn't fix it by then, say good-bye and look elsewhere rather than being stuck with three more years or having to buy them out.
For football, I can understand a 6-yr contract because it takes longer to build up a football program, although I'm not sure Rangoon's 'body of work' really merit a 6-yr contract with significant pay raise.
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expectations are extremely unreal if you expect a coach at a BCS school to give up his current for another while taking a pay cut
yeah it almost always takes a pay raise to get a coach to make a move, even though we are one rung up the ladder. i would have guessed we would have had to pay turge $2.3Mish a year. in lieu of that we gave him a longer contract.
his contract at Texas A&M ran through 2018 (I just checked). So we gave him another year on what he currently had. This thread should be over.
Who said anything about taking a pay cut?
What's this hopeless thing you are talking about?
Wow. This is NOT roomy!
I don't think that is a sign of a "fall". We offered him essentially the same contract, yet he left a team that HE built into 4 straight ncaa tournaments for a program that was really depleted of talent. He made the move because of our attractiveness and because we are a better program than Texas A&M
You are way off on this one buddy. Billy Gillispie left Mark Turgeon a goldmine in 2007. Don't forget that Texas A&M was 27-7 in 2006-2007 and was ranked #9 in the country. He also had multiple 4 and 5 star recruits coming in for Turgeon. DeAndre Jordan was one of them. Turgeon stepped in 2007-2008 and had little trouble with that roster. 25-11. The cupboard was not bare and I would give Gillispie an assist, big time.
And don't forget to add that A&M sucked last year and this year.
Just win Baby! Thats why the longer then deserved contracts! Feels good to be KA tonight. Huge W
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