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3 years in: current thoughts on nationals park?

  • gurgle said...

    The beer is more expensive than at FedEx Field. Let that sink in.

    You mean you don't love $9.50 beer night????

    At least the crowd isn't nearly as obnoxious.

    jt4424

  • ugotwilcoxed said...

    Yet better than Baltimore's attendance. CRAZY!!!

    Don't let the facts get in the way of your comments. Nats 20th/Os 21st in attendance in 2010. Os 21st:Nats24th in 2009. Nats had better attendance in 08; their first year in a new stadium. Os had better attendance in 07 and 06; yea, you had RFK

    BS19

  • i like the stadium. obviously it doesnt have the look and feel of OPACY.

    and of course the beers will be more expensive than most places. D.C. has lots of wealthy people in the area and in general things cost more there.

    AlphaOmega

  • Hogie said...

    It's a stadium. It works but it's nothing special. Once they finally get to finish the surrounding blocks it's going to be a fun ass place to go.

    what hogie said. i like nats park, but it's no camden yards/wrigley/dodger stadium/etc. but we weren't expecting it to be.

    once the surrounding hood is complete and as the team continues to get better, it's going to be a special place. what i like about it is the fact that there's room for plenty more upgrades and what not.

    and i've been to worse stadiums than NP.

    rufreshterps

  • yeah beers are $8 now. sucks.

    rufreshterps

  • As long as the DC police don't take away my secret free parking spot, I love it.

    sugarmag

  • I always wonder how popular the area is going to become because one gust of wind in the wrong direction and you're smelling sewage.

    gurgle

  • gurgle said...

    I always wonder how popular the area is going to become because one gust of wind in the wrong direction and you're smelling sewage.

    ya know gurgle, i was worried about that at first, but i've been to probably at least 70 games @ nats park and really haven't had to deal with that too many times. on some humid days it'll flare up or when it rains you can get a hint of it, but not as bad as i thought. maybe to others it's worse.

    but when the bars/shopping/restaurants/etc are installed i think it'll be all good.

    i'm just thankful we have two major league teams/stadiums from two different leagues within 40 minutes of each other.

    rufreshterps

  • sugarmag said...

    As long as the DC police don't take away my secret free parking spot, I love it.

    Can't take mine away... Ward 6 resident FTW.

    Drew

    eamhokie94: Is your name Nazi in pig Latin?

    azitnay

  • sugarmag said...

    As long as the DC police don't take away my secret free parking spot, I love it.

    :popcorn:

    we got parking with our season ticket plan, but we always end up parking @ the yards. yeah it's $25, but it's worth it. right next to the stadium, usually good tailgating, easy to get in/out...good times.

    rufreshterps

  • The lack of development in the surrounding blocks is a far bigger issue than any problems with the stadium itself.

    hgoodman

  • what makes it so bad is that its new....for a new park its like a 2...in general its a 5...nothing wrong ith it but its pretty zzzzz

    if it were built 10 or 12 years ago there would be no feeling about it either way....just be another park

    5th and lehigh

  • $5 beers (16oz IIRC) before the game on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday games at the bar under the scoreboard. I pound a 2-3 of these then get one expensive beer during the game.

    Party Night | nationals.com: Tickets

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    washington.nationals.mlb.com

    "In the Spirit of the Pack"

    IMS was better

  • rufreshterps said...

    ya know gurgle, i was worried about that at first, but i've been to probably at least 70 games @ nats park and really haven't had to deal with that too many times. on some humid days it'll flare up or when it rains you can get a hint of it, but not as bad as i thought. maybe to others it's worse.

    but when the bars/shopping/restaurants/etc are installed i think it'll be all good.

    i'm just thankful we have two major league teams/stadiums from two different leagues within 40 minutes of each other.

    Yeah it's definitely not an issue within the stadium itself. I notice it when I walk down N Street, although maybe the development won't be around there.

    gurgle

  • 5th and lehigh said...

    what makes it so bad is that its new....for a new park its like a 2...in general its a 5...nothing wrong ith it but its pretty zzzzz

    if it were built 10 or 12 years ago there would be no feeling about it either way....just be another park

    Definitely agree with this. Also, I know DC folks don't want to hear this, but the lack of character of the stadium does reflect the general feeling about the city.

    I don't think it will be a special place when the development around the stadium is finished, but I do think it will be a vast improvement. It's a solid stadium with good sight lines. It's probably in the top 10-15 of MLB ballparks.

    One of the biggest issues is the metro station is too small and makes for a ridiculous time trying to get out of there. Baltimore has a similar issue with the light rail, but it's easier to drive and park at games at Camden than it is at the Nationals park.

    charmcity3131

  • It's unremarkable but it's a solid stadium. I think atmosphere will improve with winning foremost and some added development of the area, but I also don't think it will ever be a top 10 stadium in MLB.

    This post was edited by bkmalik on 4/5/2011 at 7:02 AM

    bkmalik

  • charmcity3131 said...

    I don't think it will be a special place when the development around the stadium is finished, but I do think it will be a vast improvement.

    in fact it will be worse...the development is going to be sterile phony and truman show esqe in its fakeness...you cant just invent a place like that...it doesnt work...and this isnt to single out DC....in philly there are hideous plans to build an "entertainment complex" on the grounds where the spectrum was...the same people who did the awful power plant in baltimore are doing this one...i cringe everytime i think about it and hope is goes out of business within a few years of opening

    5th and lehigh

  • If you're not pre-gaming in the Eastern Market/Barracks Row area and getting a free 5-minute golf cart ride over to the park, you're doing it wrong.

    Im ready for aa 5th of vodica to end my feels.

    JJBittenbinder

  • JJBittenbinder said...

    If you're not pre-gaming in the Eastern Market/Barracks Row area and getting a free 5-minute golf cart ride over to the park, you're doing it wrong.

    I did the Barracks Row thing for Opening Day and I couldn't help but wonder "why the hell did I not do this for the past two years?????"

    I'm a huge Nats fan and am pretty disappointed by the stadium, even after 2 years. Half Street is just as undeveloped now as it was when the Park opened, aside from the Bullpen which has nearly equally overpriced beers. The only plus is that it's a good place to smoke a stogie and chill before games. I was talking with my buddy at Opening Day and while we agree and understand that they couldn't incorporate the Capitol because of MLB rules, they definitely could have incorporated more of the riverfront.

    Once the following things happen (which will happen, just much more slowly than originally anticipated), the Park will be a better experience:

    1) Development of bars and activities around the stadium;
    2) Demolishing Florida Rock and creating a true riverfront park around the entire back of the stadium; and,
    3) Making Metro not suck as much (my entire packed train was emptied and taken out of service at Archives when we were coming home Opening Day. This worked well when we all tried to get on the next packed train).

    I also am slightly disappointed in the aesthetics of the stadium. If you look at it from the outfield bleachers, it looks like it was built with a giant erector set. It's just not very architecturally pleasing at all. But if you look at it from home plate, the Centerfield Plaza, the Red Loft, and the Scoreboard Walk (do not overrate the Thurs/Fri/Sat $5 beers out there) are terrific features. Plus, the most underrated place to watch a game is from the pedestrian bridge between the right field mezzanine seats and the entrance to the club section. I've bought many a $5 ticket and then stood at the railing with a beer and watched the game from there.

    Look, I still love OPACY. I love going there when the Nats play there. It gives me memories of being a kid and going there when it first opened to sellout after sellout after sellout and the great playoff runs of the late 90s. To compare Nats Park to OPACY is fruitless. OPACY is classic and it is just as beautiful today as it was when it opened 19 years ago. I don't think Nats Park will age as well. I just hope the development around Nats Park happens soon.

    And I, too, hope that DC Police don't catch on to my free parking spot.

    goterps

  • 5th and lehigh said...

    in fact it will be worse...the development is going to be sterile phony and truman show esqe in its fakeness...you cant just invent a place like that...it doesnt work...and this isnt to single out DC....in philly there are hideous plans to build an "entertainment complex" on the grounds where the spectrum was...the same people who did the awful power plant in baltimore are doing this one...i cringe everytime i think about it and hope is goes out of business within a few years of opening

    Agreed, again, as someone who lives blocks from the stadium.

    The "development" will probably be a Cosi or Au Bon Pain plus a bunch of shitty bars that sell $7 beers before the games. I think if I could use one word to describe the stadium it'd be very...umm..."DC-ish"

    ravensnterps

  • I feel the same way towards I feel towards Turner Field ... it's a nice park, but there's nothing memorable about it at all.

    vadimivich

  • it's a decent design considering the budget and restrictions the project endured. Obviously in cities like DC, real estate cost prohibits the best location and views and when you're building into an undeveloped industrial area, it's hard to plop down some georgian style building. With that all said, commercial real estate is slowly coming back so the area should be developed eventually. As far as the nature of the development, going big box may compete directly with National Harbor-and DC development is not known to be done in this style to begin with. However, if it's the direction, then it's no big deal because if there's one thing DC lacks, it's large scale developments with national brands. I know LoDo (Coors Field) had a head start as a neighborhood over the SW Dc area, but I would think that would be the target feel of the development.

    TerpPride

  • TerpPride said...

    it's a decent design considering the budget and restrictions the project endured. Obviously in cities like DC, real estate cost prohibits the best location and views and when you're building into an undeveloped industrial area, it's hard to plop down some georgian style building. With that all said, commercial real estate is slowly coming back so the area should be developed eventually. As far as the nature of the development, going big box may compete directly with National Harbor-and DC development is not known to be done in this style to begin with. However, if it's the direction, then it's no big deal because if there's one thing DC lacks, it's large scale developments with national brands. I know LoDo (Coors Field) had a head start as a neighborhood over the SW Dc area, but I would think that would be the target feel of the development.

    solid post. i think lost in this discussion is the fact there was a tight space to plop this stadium and they did a rush job to get a stadium up. as much as RFK was a nice throwback tribute, the team could not afford to spend another season there.

    so could they have made Nats Park more attractive aesthetically? of course. but it's not like it's the worst park in baseball and with the developments outside of the park, it'll be a fine place for years to come.

    rufreshterps

  • 5th and lehigh said...

    in fact it will be worse...the development is going to be sterile phony and truman show esqe in its fakeness...you cant just invent a place like that...it doesnt work...and this isnt to single out DC....in philly there are hideous plans to build an "entertainment complex" on the grounds where the spectrum was...the same people who did the awful power plant in baltimore are doing this one...i cringe everytime i think about it and hope is goes out of business within a few years of opening

    Definitely agree with you on this. It's one of the reasons I love OPACY, with the Pickles/Sliders combo, plus a number of great places along Pratt Street and Fed Hill so close to the stadium. Pretty awesome how it all turned out.

    charmcity3131

  • Let's remember, it's a miracle this thing even turned out as well as it did. I mean, MLB and the DC government were the ones building the damn thing. The Lerners/Kasten had no say in it. There was no Camden Yards-style planning. It was just "Oh, crap, we have a team and we got financing, let's throw this bastard up quick."

    If it ranks between 11 and 15th among stadiums - maybe a stretch depending on your opinion - and in 3 years the area around it is built up and has a contending team to go with it then it's a win. And Fed Hill area is no closer to OPACY than 8th Street area - with a bunch of quality bars - is to Nats Park. Obviously, there's no Pickles, Sliders combo yet.

    This post was edited by macterp on 4/5/2011 at 10:05 AM

    macterp